Thursday, August 20, 2009

Coming next week: Rush makes fun of Nancy Pelosi's "cooties"

Rush administered some uber-epic pwnage yesterday to openly gay Barney Frank (although I had no idea he was gay until yesterday). Once again there was a town hall scene where an ignorant young lady holding a picture of Obama (with Hitler-stache) asks Jewish Congressman Frank why he supports a "Nazi policy".



Do I approve of Frank's response? I'm not sure. I am all for a dignified discourse and taking the high road but at this point it seems like a certain segment of the anti-health care reform movement have no interest in educating themselves on facts and engaging in an intellectual debate. If he had seriously attempted to explain to this young woman would she have listened? She came to the meeting equipped with her picture and set of talking points and already had her mind made up that the reform is similar to Nazi policies. If you had spoken to me a week ago I probably would have had a bigger problem with Frank than with the woman. She obviously does not know better and is only interested in the hate agenda. He, as an elected representative, should know better. However, my mind is quickly changing.

The Democratic party is, as usual, turning in to a group of cowardly bitches who back down and try to appease the Republicans. We don't need them in order to pass this legislation and the Republicans are really making it an easy decision by not even pretending to be bipartisan. So why are the Democrats? Fuck the Reps, pass the bill, if that's what they really want. After 6 years of bully tactics under Bush you would think that the Democrats in Congress would be chomping at the bit to finally be relevant.

So, kudos to Frank for not even humoring her naivety. As time unfolds and we see that these "grassroots movements" are sponsored by insurance companies and are essentially an organized mob paid by them, it becomes more and more apparent that they are not interested in discussion. They are being deployed to prevent the discussion from even happening. So why humor them and give them relevancy? Tell them they're crazy. Do not dignify them with an explanation or a defense as to why health care reform has no similarities to the Nazis. If you need a reason why genocide has no resemblance to providing health care, then you are hopeless.

So this series of events evokes this mighty response by the GOP warlord:



That's right. A gay joke. Not only a gay joke, but a gay joke that would be more appropriate in middle school.

I am no fan of Barney Frank. The dude raked in serious cash and benefited from a sequence of events that resulted in the economy being in the state that it is in. He is not alone in this as many politicians also made some coin. However, I give him serious credit for his response to this new movement spreading among Republicans.

2 comments:

  1. I didn't read what Rush said, or what the question was to Barney Frank, I'm not particularly crazy about either of them right now. However, I think you're wrong about 'needing' rep support. You're right in the sense that they don't need Republican support to pass the bill, however... they do need republican support to share blame in case of failure. If there is a health care package passed without Republican support and then it fails epically, the republicans can use that in 2012 and say "hey... remember how this epically failed under this guy... what else is he going to do, vote for me, I won't flop like that" as you and I know. -- it's about power, and it's about control on both sides of the aisle.

    The worst part of your assumptions here is that you're jumping to the conclusion that Republicans are outright saying "no" to health care reform, when they've had several alternative proposals for the reform. I think that if the President can take 6 weeks to pick a dog for the whitehouse, we should be allowed as a nation to take AT LEAST twice as long...

    FYI - just because something isn't "Nazi" doesn't mean that it doesn't follow Nazi train of thought at the very least on a philosophical level... but it would be hard to convince you what is or is not "Nazi", "socialist", "fascist" etc in reference to government without using the word "Bush" in the sentence. So I don't know why I bother trying...

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  2. It's true that Republican support is needed in case of failure. However, I don't believe that legislation should be passed in that sort of mindset. If Democrats firmly believe in this reform then it should not matter how it is passed as long as it is, in fact, passed. If Democrats are afraid to push this through without Republican support then that will be the most telling sign of all in this debate.

    As for the Republicans alternative proposals, I was curious about this a couple weeks ago and actually tried to inquire as to what alternatives were out there. The only answer I got was something that Ron Paul proposed. After reading your comment I am trying to do my due diligence and google up a bunch of stuff and see 3 plans proposed by Republicans. I haven't been able to find the actual documentation though. I've hit a handful of dead links and a few Op Eds. In theory the proposals sound good but I have yet to see much detail. As with most things I'm sure it will come down to ideological differences. Also, I have as much problem trying to decipher a 1000 page Democrat bill as I do with a 40 page Republican bill. Too much from one side, and not enough from the other.

    My question here is, why are the Republicans pushing the massive campaign to kill the Democrat bill when they could be spreading information on their own bills? They seem quite content talking about "death panels" and other nonsense instead.

    As for the dog vs health care, I'm not buying it. Do you honestly think Obama spent 6 weeks laboring over the decision of what dog to get? I'm 99% positive that the reason it took 6 weeks for that is because Obama was maybe just a little bit busy assuming the Presidency in the middle of multiple wars and an economic crisis. I honestly can not believe that he spent all that time deliberating over a dog. It's the damn news people who couldn't stop talking about it. It disgusted me to know end and I know how you feel about the media so I have to believe you get my point.

    I hate getting in to Nazi comparisons but I will answer your thoughts. I honestly don't know what you mean when you refer to Bush there. All I know is this, you never hear Nazi talk from moderates. It's only from the most extreme wingers that these appear. We had 6 years of it from the left while Bush was in office and it's already started from the right for Obama. It's been bandied about for years and is considered one of the weakest forms of argument used only when real information is lacking. You can make Nazi comparisons to anything. You can make comparisons between anything at all when taken piece by piece. If you are doing so, the comparisons had better start from the more relevant and larger issues and work your way down from there. At the very least, acknowledge the "Nazi train of thought" on all sides, not just where you want to see them.

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