Rush administered some uber-epic pwnage yesterday to openly gay Barney Frank (although I had no idea he was gay until yesterday). Once again there was a town hall scene where an ignorant young lady holding a picture of Obama (with Hitler-stache) asks Jewish Congressman Frank why he supports a "Nazi policy".
I didn't read what Rush said, or what the question was to Barney Frank, I'm not particularly crazy about either of them right now. However, I think you're wrong about 'needing' rep support. You're right in the sense that they don't need Republican support to pass the bill, however... they do need republican support to share blame in case of failure. If there is a health care package passed without Republican support and then it fails epically, the republicans can use that in 2012 and say "hey... remember how this epically failed under this guy... what else is he going to do, vote for me, I won't flop like that" as you and I know. -- it's about power, and it's about control on both sides of the aisle.
ReplyDeleteThe worst part of your assumptions here is that you're jumping to the conclusion that Republicans are outright saying "no" to health care reform, when they've had several alternative proposals for the reform. I think that if the President can take 6 weeks to pick a dog for the whitehouse, we should be allowed as a nation to take AT LEAST twice as long...
FYI - just because something isn't "Nazi" doesn't mean that it doesn't follow Nazi train of thought at the very least on a philosophical level... but it would be hard to convince you what is or is not "Nazi", "socialist", "fascist" etc in reference to government without using the word "Bush" in the sentence. So I don't know why I bother trying...
It's true that Republican support is needed in case of failure. However, I don't believe that legislation should be passed in that sort of mindset. If Democrats firmly believe in this reform then it should not matter how it is passed as long as it is, in fact, passed. If Democrats are afraid to push this through without Republican support then that will be the most telling sign of all in this debate.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Republicans alternative proposals, I was curious about this a couple weeks ago and actually tried to inquire as to what alternatives were out there. The only answer I got was something that Ron Paul proposed. After reading your comment I am trying to do my due diligence and google up a bunch of stuff and see 3 plans proposed by Republicans. I haven't been able to find the actual documentation though. I've hit a handful of dead links and a few Op Eds. In theory the proposals sound good but I have yet to see much detail. As with most things I'm sure it will come down to ideological differences. Also, I have as much problem trying to decipher a 1000 page Democrat bill as I do with a 40 page Republican bill. Too much from one side, and not enough from the other.
My question here is, why are the Republicans pushing the massive campaign to kill the Democrat bill when they could be spreading information on their own bills? They seem quite content talking about "death panels" and other nonsense instead.
As for the dog vs health care, I'm not buying it. Do you honestly think Obama spent 6 weeks laboring over the decision of what dog to get? I'm 99% positive that the reason it took 6 weeks for that is because Obama was maybe just a little bit busy assuming the Presidency in the middle of multiple wars and an economic crisis. I honestly can not believe that he spent all that time deliberating over a dog. It's the damn news people who couldn't stop talking about it. It disgusted me to know end and I know how you feel about the media so I have to believe you get my point.
I hate getting in to Nazi comparisons but I will answer your thoughts. I honestly don't know what you mean when you refer to Bush there. All I know is this, you never hear Nazi talk from moderates. It's only from the most extreme wingers that these appear. We had 6 years of it from the left while Bush was in office and it's already started from the right for Obama. It's been bandied about for years and is considered one of the weakest forms of argument used only when real information is lacking. You can make Nazi comparisons to anything. You can make comparisons between anything at all when taken piece by piece. If you are doing so, the comparisons had better start from the more relevant and larger issues and work your way down from there. At the very least, acknowledge the "Nazi train of thought" on all sides, not just where you want to see them.